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Aurelia: Comelz’s solution for cutting

Perhaps it is a bit obvious to mention that such a large installed base is a fundamental asset for Comelz. From it, in fact, the company gathers input every year that enables it to make its software ever more efficient and productive. An extremely varied customer base that includes small cutting centers, Italian factories of the most important luxury maisons and large factories of international manufacturing.
I think it is safe to say that the CAD software market for technical pattern design of shoe and bag has been mature and well established for years now offering several high-profile solutions. In this article, therefore, we have decided not to go into the details of how Comelz’s CAD software continues to evolve and improve every year but will focus completely on the Aurelia system, the software platform that Develer, the Tuscan company of more than 80 professionals that Comelz acquired in 2018, has been developing for years now for it to become the leading technology in companies’ offerings along with cutting machines.
In summary, we can say that Aurelia is the software created to enable real-time information exchange between factory management, production planning, technical development, management accounting, and manufacturing. So let us analyze in more detail how this software aims to create a discontinuity in fashion manufacturing.



Cruscotto Aurelia con indicatori di performance


Sharing technical data securely
From today, Comelz’s CAD software for technical pattern drafting can choose whether to store files on the computer of the technician who created them or within the shared archive of the Aurelia system. The goal is clear: to create a repository where all technical development and production data can be cataloged and organized so that it is available to all company departments. In a first phase the technical model files but soon the entire product spec sheet.
Aurelia was created as a software environment to support the cutting center. It seems clear why, in addition to CAD patterns, the “digital twin” of each material to be cut can be stored within Aurelia. The operator on board a Nek table can digitize the outline of a leather, identify the different quality areas, demarcating those parts that should not be used, highlight the position and type of any defects. The result of this work is a file that can be stored within Aurelia. If the advantage of storing material data within Aurelia is not obvious, think of the possibility of calculating pattern consumption on actual hides but also the opportunity to analyze the actual nesting to continuously improve cutting efficiency.
Companies cannot afford to lose data, and they need to do all that is required to prevent cyber-attacks that compromise the integrity and availability of data. To ensure the security of the data stored inside Aurelia archives and therefore the business continuity of its customers, the Comelz Group has chosen the path of independent certification. A specialized third-party company annually tests the software by performing “intrusion tests” in search of possible vulnerabilities.
The Aurelia system is a web-app that is, an application accessible through a web browser. The typical proposed installation is on a server in the cutting center. This architecture allows an advantageous proximity to the machines with which Aurelia exchanges data i.e., dialogues continuously. However, a different architecture is also possible: Comelz can provide a server by hosting it at its infrastructure.
Today Comelz software licenses are “floating” that is, they can be used on different computers without the need for a physical dongle. In fact, Aurelia also plays the role of “license server” and dynamically verifies compliance with the contractual conditions. All software can be installed on multiple locations, and it is the server that will verify that the number of concurrent users does not exceed the number of available licenses. The advantage for the company is obvious: a technician with a username and the appropriate security permissions can open on any workstation a file stored in Aurelia, modify it and save it again.

Modello di scarpa progettato in Caligola
Modello di borsa progettato in Cleopatra
Calcolo del Consumo con modulo ST Plus



Organizing production
Aurelia connects to the main management information systems used in the fashion industry to automatically receive cutting orders. In the case of Dedagroup’s Stealth solution, Aurelia is the only platform currently natively integrated: it not only receives  data automatically but also returns the status of each ticket.
For those factories who do not have an enterprise production management information system installed, Aurelia at its core contains the tools to create cutting orders independently quickly and easily. This feature can also be very useful in the integration scenario if it becomes necessary in production to create “rework” orders without going through the upstream system.
The orders transmitted to Aurelia through integration with the company’s information system and those entered directly by Aurelia are conveyed into a production plan from which the cutting center manager can manage work scheduling by assigning each ticket to each individual machine and eliminating the typical handing of paper.
It then becomes easy to know at any time and in real time the progress of each ticket, and it is also possible to adjust the program, changing the job queue of each machine to balance the workload and achieve the best performance.
By combining the different software offered by Comelz, it is possible to organize different workflows that fit the way the client companies have organized their processes. By way of example only, it is worth mentioning the Calcon module, which makes it possible to modify and adjust patterns for cutting right from the cutting machine (e.g. margins, reference marks, markings, holes, etc.) in case the company prefers to add these technical details while cutting rather than at CAD.

Aurelia timeline del funzionamento di una macchina
Collegamento al desktop remoto di una macchina da Aurelia



Collect data from machines and monitor production
When Aurelia is opened, the first page that is displayed is the dashboard where performance indicators are shown: to mention a few the number of hides processed, the net area of pieces cut, the efficiency percentages of the machines. All of this can be analyzed over any time interval, a single shift or an entire year, by individual machine, by department, or overall for the entire cutting center.
From the moment it is connected through the local network to Comelz machines, Aurelia begins to gather data, compliant to Industry 4.0, not only those data that allow for performance analysis i.e., cutting center efficiency, but also data useful for predictive maintenance i.e., identifying and solving potential causes of malfunction. Aurelia also collects, stores and makes available the individual operating parameters set on each machine. The goal is to keep each machine at its maximum potential and provide those who manage the cutting department with all the information they need to adjust course.
While gathering data from the machines of the cutting department, Aurelia can receive all the individual events and show a detailed timeline where preparation and nesting times, actual cutting times, and idle times are shown along with performance indicators. The GL software on board the CZ cutting machines interacts with the operator and requires simple yet comprehensive entry of detailed information that provides an analytical understanding of the causes of any delays with a view to continuous improvement.
It is possible to define standards for each of the processes and consequently analyze the deviations between actual performance (of consumption and time) compared to the standards. However, when the technical data of individual hides, from the Nek tables, are also present within Aurelia, it is possible to achieve a very detailed level of analysis that shows for each individual hide how the nesting of pieces with respect to quality areas was performed.
A function has also been developed within Aurelia that allows the cutting center manager to connect from his or her location in real time to each machine and share the screen with the operator without having to install third-party products (e.g. TeamViewer).
Data export in Excel format is also available, where there is a need to do further downstream analysis.

Consumption simulation
Since both model technical data and information on the materials to be cut are available within Aurelia, Comelz decided to bring the typical functions of the renown ST Plus software for calculating consumption into Aurelia. The ideal environment is thus created within which to determine an accurate estimate of expected consumption for new projects.
The next step was to sophisticate the consumption calculation simulation in two different ways. First, the same GL software that runs the CZ cutting machines was implemented within Aurelia. Since the operating parameters of the machines and the typical efficiency of each of them are known, it is possible to accurately determine the total time required to complete a cutting order.
In addition, the “mix optimizer” function takes advantage of machine idle time to process simulation algorithms and propose strategies to optimize cutting efficiency, for example, by proposing the cutting of different patterns where the interlocking of part geometries allow maximum material utilization.

Qualificazione della pelle con tavolo NEK
Digitalizzazione di una pelle con aree di qualità e difetti
Tavolo da taglio CZ


OUTDOOR: performance sneakers news and collections

The contemporary outdoor sneaker landscape is a thrilling intersection of cutting-edge technology and environmental consciousness. Gone are the days when a trail running shoe was simply a utilitarian piece of equipment. Today, these shoes are sophisticated pieces of engineering that tell a story of human ambition, technological prowess, and ecological responsibility.

Take, for instance, the evolution of trail running shoes. Brands like Salomon are pushing the boundaries of what’s possible with their S/LAB line. The Genesis model isn’t just a shoe; it’s a carefully crafted companion for extreme terrain. With its Matryx fabric upper and strategically designed sole, it represents a marriage of scientific precision and athletic aspiration. Similarly, La Sportiva‘s introduction of XFlow® foam technology speaks to a relentless pursuit of performance – creating materials that offer maximum cushioning and elastic return.

Sustainability has moved from a buzzword to a fundamental design principle. Brands are no longer just talking about eco-friendliness; they’re embedding it into the very DNA of their products. The Winqs Zerofly, with its Michelin sole made partly from rubber production waste, is a perfect example of this philosophy. It’s not just a shoe; it’s a statement about reimagining waste as an opportunity for innovation.

What’s particularly exciting is how these shoes are blurring traditional boundaries. The concept of a “door-to-trail” shoe has emerged – a versatile piece of footwear that seamlessly transitions from city streets to mountain paths. Garmont‘s 9.81 Urban Speed embodies this spirit, using recycled materials and drawing inspiration from vintage designs while incorporating modern performance technologies.

What’s particularly compelling is how these developments reflect broader cultural shifts. These aren’t just shoes; they’re manifestations of our growing awareness about personal performance, environmental responsibility, and the blurring lines between urban and outdoor lifestyles.

MIPEL, the great leather goods fair, returns in February 2025

Milan returns to the centre of the world scene with the great Fashion Shows at the Fiera Milano-Rho exhibition area, starting from leather goods with MIPEL, which will be held concurrently with Micam and TheOne from 23 to 25 February, Milano Fashion&Jewels (22-25 February) and Lineapelle (25-27 February).

Promoted and organised by Assopellettieri, with the support of the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation (MAECI) and Agenzia ICE, MIPEL is ready to give space and visibility to the FW 2025-26 proposals of over 200 brands, including historic names and emerging realities, both Italian and international.

‘MIPEL is a strategic moment for the leather goods sector and for all the players involved. There is no doubt that the sector is going through one of its most delicate moments, but the important thing is not to lose its footholds and avoid attitudes of closure; for buyers and companies, especially small ones, the show represents a fundamental business opportunity as well as an opportunity for comparison, networking and updating on new and emerging trends,’ says Claudia Sequi, President of MIPEL and ASSOPELLETTIERI.

Confirmed for the next edition is ‘The Italian Startup Project’, realised in collaboration with ICE-Agenzia and MAECI, which showcases young Italian brands that have distinguished themselves for their original creative idea, research and desire to create something in line with market demands. Showcase Milano also returns, a space dedicated to fashion and design companies selected for their innovation, research and creativity.

Special attention will be devoted, as usual, to the Trend Area in Hall 3, the iconic space that will offer an overview of leather goods trends for Autumn-Winter 2025-26.

Freiberg Leather Days will be in May 2025

The next Freiberg Leather Days will be held again in Freiberg, Germany, on 21 and 22 May 2025. The Call for Papers for experts, researchers and specialists in leather technology and chemistry is already open. For this 13th edition of the Congress, organised as always by the Association of German leather chemists (VGCT) together with the FILK Research Institute, the following macro topics have been chosen:

-New/alternative technologies for leather production
-News in characterization and analytics
-Use of sustainable raw materials in the tannery
-Innovative processing technologies
-Automation and machinery
-New trends in the applying industries
-Artisan tanneries in the age of Industry 4.0

“First speakers from various fields have already commited to submit their presentation. If you would like to present new ideas, findings or applications in the field of tanning and leather technology or in related industries, we look forward to receiving your submission by February 11h, 2025” organizers announce.

25th anniversary for AEC

Since its foundation in 1999, the Spanish Association has consolidated itself as a reference point in the representation and defence of the interests of the footwear and leather goods industry. The Association’s 25th anniversary was celebrated last December with a Gala evening held in Elche, at which the commemorative book was presented and the Horma Dorada awards, dedicated to key figures in the history of the AEC, were presented. Among the award-winners were the association’s former presidents Pascual Pizana Sáez, José María Sarabia García, Antonio Sanz Lozano and José Antonio López Robles, who guided the milestones of its development. The former presidents of FUTURMODA, José Antonio Ibarra Torres, Andrés Alonso Coves, Tomás Aznar Martínez and Pedro Vives Pérez, were also recognised for their contribution to one of the sector’s most important international showcases.

This anniversary was not only a time for celebration, but also for reflection on the future of the sector, marking the beginning of a new phase of growth, innovation and leadership for the association and its more than 250 member companies. During the event, AEC’s strategic objectives were highlighted, such as its commitment to sustainability, digital transformation, the promotion of the ‘Footwear Components From Spain’ brand and the internationalisation of its member companies.


Appointment in 2025 with S&L-IFLE Guangzhou and S&L-IFLE Vietnam

Founded in 1989, with over 35 years of experience in trade fair and conference services and specialising in the organisation of footwear machinery, leather and materials fairs and sourcing of footwear and leather goods in Asia, Top Repute Co. Ltd. is ready to offer high-level appointments for leather professionals in 2025 as well. Let’s start with Shoes & Leather – IFLE Guangzhou, scheduled for 15-17 May 2025: the 33rd International Shoes & Leather Exhibition in Guangzhou is one of the most important exhibitions for the footwear and leather industry, dedicated to advanced machinery for footwear production, materials, leathers and more. Over 800 international exhibitors (from 16 countries and regions) and over 20000 trade visitors from 50 countries and regions are expected to attend. The fair incorporates the International Footwear Exhibition (IFLE), which will present a wide range of quality footwear for sourcing from factories in mainland China and Asia.

A date to mark in the agenda is the 25th edition of Shoes & Leather Exhibition – Vietnam 2025, scheduled from 9 to 11 July 2025 at the SECC, Ho chi Minh City, Vietnam. This trade fair is one of the most important and leading events for the footwear and leather industry in the ASEAN regions, dedicated to previews in cutting-edge footwear machinery, cutting solutions, leather, synthetics, materials, sewing technology, automation, chemistry, 3D printing, components and more. Over 9,000 trade visitors from 44 countries and regions are expected to attend, and companies will be present on 20,000 square metres of exhibition space. IFLE – Vietnam 2025 will be held at the same time as Shoes & Leather – Vietnam 2025, showcasing finished products, footwear and leather goods, such as elegant bags, shoes, luggage, fashion accessories and various types of leather products.

Finally, a look at 2026 brings us to SHOES & LEATHER HANOI 2026, scheduled from 24 to 26 March in Hanoi, Vitenam, dedicated to the entire range of products for the footwear and leather industry. Combining machinery, materials and finished products, this new event offers a comprehensive showcase for industry professionals.


CICB Sustainability Forum 2025

On the occasion of Fimec – the International Trade Fair for Leather, Chemicals, Components, Machinery and Equipment for Footwear and Tanneries held in Novo Hamburgo, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil, a new edition of the CICB Sustainability Forum will take place, the event created in 2012 and which has become the key platform to discuss the future of the leather sector. The date is 19 March 2025 with experts, companies and institutions coming together to discuss the central theme of this edition: life cycle assessment (LCA) in the leather industry.

The CICB Sustainability Forum is organised by the Brazilian Leather project, a partnership between the Centre for the Brazilian Tanning Industry (CICB) and the Brazilian Trade and Investment Promotion Agency (ApexBrasil), and this edition’s sponsors include Stahl Leather, Abrameq – Master, NBN, Bremm Beck and Michelon.

The Forum will present lectures and panels illustrating how life cycle assessments are transforming production processes, driving public and private policies and shaping sustainability strategies in various segments of the leather production chain. In addition to being a centre for updating and exchanging ideas, the event is a unique opportunity to promote collaboration between key stakeholders, bringing together tanneries, brands, suppliers and sustainability experts in one place. Confirmed speakers include industry representatives (who will present practical LCA cases of tanneries) consulting companies, management professionals and partners from the chemical sector.

Almost 8 thousand buyers at ANPIC no. 64

There is great satisfaction for the conclusion of edition number 64 of Anpic, the most important sourcing fair for the footwear and fashion industry, which took place from 23 to 25 October 2024 at the Poliforum of León, in the State of Guanajuato, Mexico. The event, which brought together more than 800 stands representing over 200 brands from 19 countries, is expected to generate up to 275 million pesos in sales, consolidating itself as a key platform for innovation, sustainability and industry trends. On show: machinery and equipment, chemicals, tanning, textiles, components and accessories.

On the visitor front, more than 8,000 buyers from different geographical areas confirmed the leadership of this event in Latin America. Foreign visitors accounted for 13%, coming from strategic markets such as Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Italy and the United States.

Particular attention was paid to sustainability and innovation, also through in-depth discussion of these topics in seminars and workshops that focused on topics such as Artificial Intelligence in footwear design, Trend Forecasting, and the global footwear market.

The October edition also saw the launch of ‘MUSA ANPIC Design Fest’, an exclusive space dedicated to creativity, innovation and business interaction: ‘MUSA ANPIC DESIGN FEST 2025 wants to be more than an exhibition platform, it is a space to inspire and connect the protagonists of fashion, footwear and related sectors. We want ANPIC Autumn-Winter to be even stronger and more global, and MUSA will be a key pillar to achieve this,’ the president explained. The event will take place from 26-27 March 2025 at the Poliforum León, where 85 selected companies will present innovative and trend-setting materials.


More than 7,000 trade visitors expected at FUTURMODA 2025

The first event of the year at the trade fair in Alicante, Spain, dedicated to anticipations for footwear and leather goods will be from 12 to 13 March, with the presentation of the 2026 S/S season and the latest technological and machinery innovations by more than 300 exhibiting companies from various nationalities, such as Spain, Italy, Portugal and France. Some 7,000 trade visitors are expected at the event.

The 53rd edition will once again involve Spanish and international companies of products for the manufacture of footwear, leather goods, costume jewellery and fashion in general. These are mainly companies manufacturing components for footwear or leather goods (soles, heels, wedges, insoles, buckles, laces, ribbons, weaves, moulds or embroidery services, engravings….), tanning, textile and synthetic companies, chemical companies and manufacturers of machinery and technology. Exhibitors come mainly from Europe, in particular from Spain, Italy, Portugal, France and Germany.

This edition will be characterised by a focus on the environment with the special initiative ‘Futurmoda Green Planet’, a space focusing on natural and ecological materials and highlighting environmentally responsible products such as leather, silk, linen and chemically unadulterated cotton. Also on display are recycled products, energy-efficient solutions and high value-added technologies that promote sustainable practices in the industry.

New appointment with the Venice Sustainable Fashion Forum

The Venice Sustainable Fashion Forum was held last 24 and 25 October. This initiative was born from the collaboration of three key partners – Sistema Moda Italia, TEHA Group and Confindustria Veneto Est – and today sees the participation and support of 19 partners who share its values and objectives, recognising the need to initiate a serious and urgent debate on the theme of sustainability in the fashion industry.

During the third edition, in particular, the ‘Just Fashion Transition’ study was presented, addressing the progress, challenges and opportunities for the fashion supply chain inherent in sustainable transformation, in order to promote a collaborative dialogue and develop concrete solutions. The 2024 edition focused on two key questions that guided the research process: What will the fashion industry look like in 2030?  How are fashion supply chains embracing change?

European fashion industry eight years behind schedule

According to the results highlighted by ‘Just Fashion Transition’, the European fashion industry may be eight years behind in meeting its climate targets. Although it has succeeded in decoupling economic growth from CO2 emissions over the past 6 years, it seems that at current rates it will only be able to meet the binding climate targets of Fit for 55 by 2038. Catching up with the projected decarbonisation pathway will require additional investments of €24.7 billion by 2030. Alternatively, reducing production volumes in order to stay within the planned emission limits is likely to result in 8 times higher revenue losses, and according to an analysis of the balance sheets of more than 2,686 companies, the required investments seem unlikely to be sustainable for 92% of the Italian companies in the supply chain.

Regulatory uncertainty hinders competitiveness

As its geopolitical influence in the world is steadily decreasing, 10 years after the Paris Agreement, Europe continues to promote sustainable transition mainly through laws and regulations. However, the lack of operational guidelines and well-defined regulatory frameworks is a source of uncertainty for businesses, at least for the next five years, and thus a brake on competitiveness compared to the rest of the world. In particular, while sustainability requirements and tools are increasingly focused on large companies, SMEs do not seem to be taken into account as much. They find themselves having to bear the burden of compliance without sufficient resources – a limitation that threatens to widen inequalities and hinder their competitive potential in a regulated market.

Furthermore, despite the EU’s increasing focus on end-of-life management of fashion products, the available infrastructure still does not seem to be adequate. While the European Commission is pushing towards waste recovery and reporting on unsold products, destruction is still a common disposal method for returned and unsold products in Europe, with 264,000-594,000 tonnes of textiles estimated to be destroyed each year (4-9% of the market). Furthermore, while up to 79% of unsold stock is recovered, only 57% of online returns manage to be handled in the same way, with handling costs amounting to 55-75% of the retail price. Furthermore, the revision of the Waste Framework Directive in 2023 introduced a new Extended Producer Responsibility (EPR) scheme, imposing a per-brand taxation based on ecodesign to promote durability and recyclability, with the support of Digital Product Passports; while Italy has already established separate collection systems for textiles, only 3 out of 4 cities have adequate facilities to manage it, with an actual collection potential of only 2.7 kg per capita compared to the 23 kg put on the market each year.

The weak role of the European financial sector

The European financial sector does not yet have all the levers to be the engine of the Just Fashion Transition on the continent. Without adequate financial support and a regulatory framework facilitating access to sustainable funds on the capital markets, the transition risks being underfunded, exacerbating inequalities especially among SMEs, which today account for almost 98% of the entire sector.

To date, only 35% of investments dedicated to the transition of European SMEs have been supported by external funding, and only 16% of these actually qualify as ‘sustainable’.

Few are in step with decarbonisation

Only one third of Europe’s 100 largest fashion companies are keeping up with the speed of decarbonisation required, the rest are lagging behind. On the one hand, the 34 large European fashion companies that are reducing their emissions twice as fast as required by Fit for 55 show that decarbonisation is possible. On the other, this highlights a significant lag for the rest of the sector. Furthermore, while progress is being made on climate, among the 100 largest EU companies only 7 companies are transparent about living wage and 28 still do not publish a Sustainability Report. Finally, the integration of ESG performance into variable executive pay is a widespread practice in only 25 per cent of companies, in contrast to other sectors where this share exceeds 90 per cent.

Lack of skills and low margins penalise Italian supply chains

Lack of skills and low margins make it difficult for Italian supply chains to cope with rapid change. Attention to ESG issues among companies in the Italian supply chain has decreased by about 3%, particularly among SMEs with revenues <€30m. In particular, manufacturing companies in the textile and apparel sectors show the highest level of sustainability awareness in the Italian supply chain, with values increasing as size increases, while leather, knitwear and footwear are further behind, especially among smaller companies. Large companies, in particular those with a turnover of more than €80 million, show a stronger sustainability watch in all segments analysed.

The main factors behind this slowdown are the lack of in-house expertise is the main obstacle for the lack of ESG presidium, while low profitability, constantly decreasing (between 7 and 11%), as well as high debt ratios make investments in decarbonisation difficult to sustain for about 92% of the companies, especially in the tanning and clothing sector.

The responsibility of governments

If the sector does not invest enough, European consumers may have to give up 21 garments per capita by 2030. Furthermore, although second-hand can be seen as a sustainable alternative to fast fashion, its benefits are reduced by the rebound effect: for every new garment purchase avoided, an average of 1.23 used garments are purchased. According to global consumers, governments are the main actors whose environmental actions are insufficient. In Europe, particularly among young people, there is a growing awareness that sustainability entails costs and sacrifices. However, this does not seem to translate into adequate action.

Conclusions

Neither markets nor institutions have yet achieved the pace required for a Just Transition. The annual growth of OECD economies is expected to drop by almost 30 per cent by 2060 to 1.3 per cent, mainly due to the decline of the working-age population, with a significant impact also on the emerging G20 countries23. At the same time, 2023 was the hottest year ever and scientists warn that without immediate action, most climate risks could reach critical or catastrophic levels by the end of the century, especially in southern Europe. Economic losses from coastal flooding alone could exceed €1 trillion per year.However, zero-emission policies are projected to result in global GDP growth of 7 per cent over projected levels if inaction is taken.

In this context, without structural changes, it seems unrealistic for companies and businesses to prosper. It is therefore important to highlight three key points today:

– markets and pricing systems do not incentivise sustainability. On the contrary, it is often perceived as an unprofitable investment, motivated mainly by ethical or compliance reasons;

– regulation alone will not be sufficient to accelerate the sustainability transition. On the contrary, it may push companies towards an approach geared more towards reporting than towards improving performance.

– the costs of transition cannot be assessed alone. Rather, the costs of action should be measured and compared in the long run with the costs of inaction, which in the case of climate change can be difficult to manage.

5 Proposals for a European Just Fashion Transition to 2030

– Institutions need to close the regulatory gap quickly in order to allow companies to make medium- to long-term decisions.

– Simplify financial instruments for SMEs to enable them to invest in sustainability by providing easier access to credit and offering favourable sharing.

– Build and disseminate skills at national level, involving universities and research to test scalable solutions, developing initiatives to disseminate among SMEs the skills needed for the transition and create a future-proof workforce.

– Develop a national strategic plan to identify ways to integrate sustainability costs into price structures, facilitating the eradication of caporalisation, as well as sharing time, methods and tools to combine public and private financing.

– Feed the process of market concentration, especially among SMEs, to increase productivity and investment capacity, including through tax breaks and access to credit, but also with public funding.